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In philosophy, determinists believe that free will is an illusion and that, therefore, human beings can’t be held morally responsible for their actions. As a result of nature and nurture, man’s actions are inevitable. Although he was unable to articulate determinists’ philosophy, HH Holmes believed that he was born to kill. He believed that he had no control over his actions whatsoever, and therefore would not even apologize for the lives that he claimed.
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10. Nature or Nurture?
9. Crime started at early age
8. Acquisition of Murder Castle
7. Construction of the Castle
6. The Murder Castle
5. Luring his Guests/Victims
4. Holmes’s Arrest
2. Possible Escape
1. Devil in the White City
Am I the only one who finds this story fascinating? This guy's IQ must have been pretty high, just that "castle" with all those contraptions alone and the way he trapped them and gased em, is it not genius? To say the least? I'm guessing this is one reason leo and Scorsese have been plotting this movie since 2003.
TopTenz--you need only kill 2 people to be considered 'serial' so lots of famed cowboys & lawmen alike (Billy the Kid, Bass Reeves etc etc ) so hes not the 1st just the most prolific. Ed Gein isn't technically a serial killer, he killed one.
Probably not America's first... but maybe the first KNOWN serial killer. There were probably others but they were just never caught. A lot of serial killers had things happen in their childhoods... while they are still horrible people I feel mildly bad for them because theres a reason they are so messed up mentally.
Yeah ....like a lot of people are pointing out Mudgett was definitely NOT the first serial killer in America, hell, he wasn't even the 100 & 1st. Violent psychopaths occurred all through history, coming to us in myths of werewolves, monsters, and Grimm fairy tales.
People like the Harp Brothers, Thomas Piper, the Bloody Benders, even Jesse Pomeroy were all active slayers during this period of time.
Plus, victims only 'counted' if they were fellow white men; if you wanted to scratch that itch for murder, just become one of the notorious 'injun killers' (like the cannibal Jeremiah Johnson) or you could just join the army, butcher to your heart's content, and earn a promotion out of it.
JeepGirl OlllO--they admitted they were inconclusive. Their show ended with 'the identity of JTR continues to be a mystery. - Now they did go further than almost anyone on this cold case but they had lots of circumstantial evidence which is kind of convincing. **Oddly they did find his bones under 2 burial plots, 10 feet of dirt instead of 6ft with concrete atop. They concluded the dna on the remains was Holmes. * they are the 2nd set of cold case detectives to track the ripper back to HH Holmes.
I agree with you there are some rulers we could label as such but they used the convention of a fixed trial. There are other men and women that we just don't have enough evidence to definitely say for sure but they are in the 100's if not 1000's.
He wouldn't be able to get away with it so long today. Maybe if he built his murder castle in a very remote location with no cell coverage. But with the internet people would quickly find out what was going on. Someone inside would upload pictures and video or call someone.
Even if he blocked phone usage inside the building people would complain they had no cell coverage. There's no way anyone today would be able to stand that. Unless of course he simply blocked phones only when he was choosing a victim then claimed technical problems if anyone complained. I think a modern version of this story with stuff like that might be interesting. Especially if they found ways to make everything just so clever that no one figured it out for a long time even if the murder castle was in a big city. He couldn't use gas pipes unless he was advertising the place as a quaint authentic 19th century getaway. But hidden gas pipes would be fine in a modern structure. Also, some old buildings still have remnants of their gas lighting system. I lived in a house like that. The fixtures has been removed and the hardware left over was just painted.
While it is certainly far from an established fact this show does not due the theory that Holmes was the Ripper enough credit. All the crimes that are believed to be attributed to the Ripper happened in the late 1880's so that would mean Holmes was still alive during the crime spree. There is also compelling evidence that Holmes ran off to London during the time frame of the Rippers most famous crimes,.
There's a theory that H.H. Holmes was also Jack the Ripper. There's a period where he wasn't killing in America but there weren't records of him during this period which was the same time Jack the Ripper was killing.
Rumble Shakes The methods of killing by H H Holmes would preclude his reincarnation as the prostitute-gutting Ripper. Holmes murdered by remote means & only “dirtied” his hands to turn the bodies into skeletons for sale to medical schools (or dissolved in acid). The Ripper, while displaying some talent for butchery, seemed to be an opportunistic killer in the dark alleys of the rabbit warren known as 1890’s London. His killings were rushed & furtive, more an act of momentary rage.
Most people forget that this was also the first example of an over-sensationalized news story, supposedly "uncovered" by two news companies in a feud for ratings and sales. It secured the reputation of the Hearst news empire and solidified "yellow journalism" in the mainstream press.
In the end, only 3 of his murders were ever truly verified. The rest were invented by writers, and by Holmes himself because he was amused by the publicity. It is kind-of sad how many people take the news stories at face value, and get tricked by them.
Homes is interesting...to a degree. However, so little of his crimes can be proven even slightly. His own autobiography was mostly lies. Plus pulp magazines of the time and decades later exaggerated his life.
The truth will never be known.
Devo Davis: You beat me to the punch. I remember watching something about the Harpe brothers on the History Channel (back when the History Channel use to actually delve into History). One of the brothers bashed the head of his infant child who was crying against a tree because authorities were nearby and he didn't want to risk getting caught. The brothers were Sociopaths 2.0. It seems to me that their loyalties were with the British during the American Revolution and this certainly didn't endear them to the locals after the war. Being outcasts however certainly didn't justify their bloodthirsty behavior.
You have no idea , when you read up on the guy it's waaaaaaaay worse than any video i have seen about him has yet to cover . I's believed he was already killing people for many years , like a boy that went missing after talking to him or one that died after taking medicine from the drug store he worked in .The children he adopted were sold as prostitutes , it's even been theorized he was jack the ripper since this all happened in the same time line . Evil should be abbreviated as HH.
Devo Davis Would be interested in links to any info on these brothers, as I know a man named Harp whose family stories speak of similar gentlemen. We've done some genealogy on Harp's family who always lived on the river front according to a plaque dedicated to his grandfather in Evansville, IN. He also spoke of vigilante action resulting in a section of an Illinois cemetery (not sure of the name) becoming known as the "Harp's Hill" section. Lol, more research to be done.
Devo Davis thank you devo Davis ive never heard of these guys i now must investigate. I love discovering new killer's(although technically i didn't discover anything but i think you know what i mean lol)
Don't forget *Micajah “Big” Harpe and Wiley “Little” Harpe* , the murdering highwaymen/river pirates who operated in Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, and Mississippi in the late 18th century.
Loyal to the Crown during the Revolution, the *Harpe Brothers* became outlaws after the war and began robbing and killing settlers in the remote frontier west of the Appalachian Mountains.
They are believed to have killed thirty-nine people, possibly as many as fifty.
Their savagery appears to have been motivated (in many cases) more by blood lust than any financial gain.
In 1797 they were driven from a Tennessee town after being charged with stealing hogs and horses. They were also accused of murdering a man whose body was found in a river, covered in urine and ripped open, with the chest cavity filled and weighted down with stones.
This became a signature corpse-disposal method of the Harpes' killings. They reportedly butchered anyone at the slightest provocation, even babies.
They spent time with various highway-robbery and Ohio-river pirate gangs, got locked up, escaped, moved often, killed people, and wound up back in Tennessee.
Everywhere they went, bodies were found with all manner of fatal injuries, their bodies often decapitated or cut open to fill with those heavy rocks.
In Logan County, they killed a little girl, a young slave, and an entire family they found asleep in their camp.
As their crimes gained notoriety, vigilante groups formed to avenge their victims, and they were eventually tracked down and executed right around the turn of the 19th century.
The Harpe brothers are definitely "first", and I think they're at least contenders for most cruel.
I don't see why there isn't an uber-violent horror movie about them, to be honest.
Would it be possible for Toptenz ( who apparently think subtitles are necessary due perhaps to the narrator's " foreign accent " ) to use basic punctuation, i.e. periods and capital letters, rather than endless run-on sentences ? How about spell check ? Even Holmes' name is mispelled several times as "Homs" and even "Honza " . Annoying and disconcerting.
Jack the ripper was 8 years before he was executed and in the program, they found that Holmes had possibly been to England and could have been there while the ripper was active. Though it could not be proven.
He’s actually my great great great uncle, Mudget is my grandfathers mothers last name I hate being related to this monster but it is fact even though I never knew my grandfathers mother was extremely sweet according to my dad so not all mudgets were evil.
"In philosophy, determinists believe that free will is an illusion and that, therefore, human beings can’t be held morally responsible for their actions. As a result of nature and nurture, man’s actions are inevitable"
In which case, the only moral & ethical response to folks like HH Holmes is the death penalty. Remove 'em from the gene pool. If they can't control themselves & can't be responsible for their actions, then for safety & to protect the human race, these people should be removed, not allowed to breed, and not allowed to have kids, so they won't pass on whatever it is that determines their actions.
I heard a year or so ago from a friend that Leo DiCaprio is going to star in an adaption to this story. I was very pleased with this, but I haven't heard anything about it since. Someone please tell me that my friend didn't make this up !
The servant girl annihilator and the bloody benders were American serial killers that existed before hh Holmes, the only reason they aren't usually considered Americas first serial killers because they lived in what were backwaters at the time and Chicago was cosmopolitan
Based on that photo of him in the bowler hat, Chris Pine should play this dude in a movie. Their facial features are eerily similar and Chris is a character actor stuck behind a leading man's face. He could totally pull a Charlize Theron in "Monster".
In the Top Tenz video released Jan 1 2018, you state that HH Holmes parents were cruel and strict and that his father held kerosene rags over his children's mouths. The BIOGRAPHICS video, also narrated by YOU, states that the tales of HH Holmes father using chloroform soaked rags as punishment was bad reporting and that his parents were fine upstanding people.. So which is it?
Hanging, if done right, is supposed to snap the neck and kill the person instantly. However, if it is not done properly, whether it be bad/new rope, knot placement, wrong knots, etc, it is very possible for a hanged person to survive the initial hanging and then slowly suffocate as the windpipe is squeezed due to the weight of their body. There are cases of people actually surviving hangings and others taking several minutes or longer to die. Whenever you see a hanging in a movie and the person struggles and flails, that's a hanging done poorly. I can't remember what year my parents were born but this is what sticks in my head... Ugh.
humberto Santos I was going to say the same. I watched that whole season, and I found it intriguing. In the show, they were following a paper trail of H.H. Holmes and theyy lost track of him in late 1888. They got a list of names from a port in London around the time that they believed Holmes left, and found 3 names that Holmes also used as aliases that were aboard the ship. The paper trail of Holmes picks back up in the US a few months after The Ripper killings ended in London. Newspaper articles published after Holmes' execution claimed "Ripper style" killings were going on in the US. Many believe it was just hype and/or amateur copycats, since they proved that Holmes did die at his execution.
Jordan Newman Actually I saw that episode and the guy did not say that. He said H.H.Holmes first started killing in london and then moved to america, it was the episode where they checked the ship logs for holmes name. Simon got it wrong.
Much of the information in this video comes from Twentieth century fiction writers. His victims had names didn't they? What is the name of the boy who disappeared in New York? What is the name of the boy who died in Philadelphia? If 200 persons disappeared attending the Chicago World's fair, the relatives would have made inquiries. The Chicago police would have records, and their names would be known. The owner of the Drugstore wasn't a widow, she and her husband are known to have lived into the 20th century, well after selling the drugstore to Holmes. When Holmes was selling his story to tabloids from prison, he invented the stories about his bad childhood, and about the torture items in the basement. There is no independent evidence of any of this. If he advertised heavily, where are the ads in newspapers? The say so of fiction writers isn't enough. A number of person he confessed to killing were found alive.
I like your channels, but this was below standard. Next, you're going to talk about gold trains, bigfoot, and Yamashita's gold. YouTube is riddled with these types of substandard stories, and telling the truth about HH Holmes would have made a much better video than the dozen or so videos about him already out there.
Sounds like he had severe frontal lobe issues but thats not enough to want him to walk freely among society. I think there is only one solution to the murder of a child, and it was implemented appropriately.
Often times when hangings were “botched” it was deliberate because the hangman did not like the man. One of the Nazis sentenced at Nuremburg died of a particularly bad hanging after insulting his hangman. Hangmen also claimed it was a tradition in the profession to hang themselves when they become ill or infirm.
These insurance fraud cases are the reason why you can't just take out insurance on any random person anymore. Prior, people were able to take out insurance on almost strangers. You can guess what happened.
Few things incorrect. I watched the documentary series referenced here and they did dig up his grave, finding Holmes' remains. They tested DNA to his mentioned living relative and confirmed it was him. Holmes did not fake his death. However, the claim that he may be Jack the Ripper is still up in the air. Those murders took place while Holmes was alive. There was a clear paper trail of his crimes in America leading up to a point and then stopped cold for a time before picking up again. It was during that down time that the whole of the Ripper murders took place over seas. That and a computer generator compiled all witness descriptions of the Ripper into one image and its strikingly similar to Holmes.
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